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Kirafics : WTF?

french no lies
So... Kira runs all these yaoi sites, right? And is publishing several books, and had several books not just by herself but by other authors available on preorder (as well as normal order, for those that were finished.) There was also a subscription section of the site (Elites/Blondies) that many people enjoyed. Yesterday she was talking about the imminent release of Becca Abbott's novel, Cethe. Kira runs all sorts of sites, which are all hard-core yaoi, with beautifully commissioned artwork and ads all over sites like aff.net. (By hardcore, I mean...there's spanking and NCS and everything... yeah, in her works.)

And then today everything went... weird.

In my inbox there was a letter from the Kirasfic group, labeled as being from Kira herself:

For some of you, this message is going to come as a shock. I must tell
you that I am not the same person I was even last week. I have accepted
the Holy Spirit into my body and as a consequence have had a
life-altering personal revelation from Jesus Christ. One thing that is
very clear to me: what I am doing with these companies and these books
is not pleasing in the eyes of God.

So I am discontinuing everything. This means I will be cancelling
memberships and refunding book orders and Blondie/Elite memberships. I
will also have to pay back my shareholders. I will pay everyone back
eventually, but it may not be right away. I am sorry, but any contracts
for book publications are hereby voided.

It is unclear to me what my future holds, but I have decided that it is
for God to direct, not me. I have been feeling the call to create a new
company to write stories that are more instructive, with an emphasis on
right action.

I know this announcement will probably cause outrage, disappointment,
and alarm. All I can tell you is that when you have felt the fire of God
burn inside you, you can no longer return to your previous life. You
cannot put new wine in old wineskins.

You have all been so incredibly loyal to me, and I apologize for this,
but I must answer to One Higher than myself. Perhaps some of you will
consider reading my new books. I will keep the name Kira Takenouchi, and
I will keep my journal <http://yaoiunderground.com/journal/> , but I
will be changing the skin.

As for returns on money—be assured that I will pay back every penny
that is owed. But it may not happen right away.

I will close with the sincere desire that all of you experience the love
of our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Shock... would be an understatement.

I went to the Kirafics Yahoo message board, and some people were saying... exactly some of the things I was thinking. Not only were there the obvious questions like—'Is this a hacker'? and 'Will someone else be allowed to take over?' but also... the legal ramifications of something like this.


One message put it very well:

Kira,

While I do respect your right to make a radical life change, I am
concerned about the lack of urgency you show in returning the money
that you have received for membership subscriptions and books sales that
you have not fulfilled. I only subscribed to your site on
February 23 and have only seen one update which I was unable to read at
the time. Also, I have received no books as promised. I'm
afraid that the abrupt cancellation of memberships via the form email
below or one like it without the return of the money paid in good faith
is unacceptable.
————————
Below is your confirmation that we have cancelled your subscription.

Please review the information below and notify us immediately if you have any questions.

Customer Service
The Yaoi Shop
1-812-219-5733
admin@...
———————————————————————————————

SUBSCRIPTION CANCELLATION CONFIRMATION
Subscription No. 871
Cancellation Date: 3/16/08
1 Blondie Membership - USA (Yearly - 1 Year) @ $95.00



Even though you have promised to return the monies owed to your
subscribers/members eventually, since you are essentially in breach of
contract, you need to realize that the money you owe needs to be returned
immediatley unless you want to risk legal action.

I do understand from your journal entries that you have gone through an
ordeal, and, while I sympathize, this is not an acceptable reason not to
1) either fulfill the contracts you have solicited and received, or 2) fully,
and immediately, refund the monies owed.

Since I do not know you or what sort of person you are except from your
journal entries, I'm afraid that I find it suspicious that you so
recently solicited subscriptions citing your illness and
mounting medical expenses to simply cancel these membership
without the benefit of refund.

I, myself, am returning to work after a 5 month recovery from a
major Cervical fusion and bone graft to halt permanent paralysis as well
as to relieve the chronic pain I have experienced for the last 7 years.
This is probably the most painful and diffcult experience of my life
spiritually, emotionally, physically, and financially. Even so,
this experience has not released me from any of my financial or contractual
obligations. In fact, it has compounded them.
I view the exchange of funds for a product or service to be a
business agreement which must be upheld. While I upheld my end of the
agreement by providing the funds on Feb 23 required for a subscription and
receipt of 3 books, you have not held up your end of the agreement as
evidenced when I checked to see if there were any credits to my account for
all or part of the subscription price. At best, I feel misled,
at worst, I feel that I have been exploited and conned.
Please resolve this issue with upmost expediency.

A. Smith

yet another note read:

Kira,

I have remained silent, while you have been gathering
your life together over the years, but not anymore. I honestly do feel like
lashing out at you for I feel this “finding of the Lord“ is a
cop out; but I will not. Instead, I have a few comments for you to think on.

People find the Lord in many situations, and in dire times
in their lives, and am pleased that you have also. I am glad that you are
talking to God. I have absolutely no idea, or wants to know, of your personal
involvement with him, however I still have my thoughts to add.

1) Do not rush into things. Jesus thought
things through and so must you.

Before canceling EVERYTHING and disbanding, take a step back, think things
over and wait it out for a week or so. It will give you a better perspective
on things. Rushing never has solved a thing.

2) There is nothing wrong with the story lines you
are doing. God adores us all and loves ALL of us, no matter what their
persuasion.

3) Are you absolutely sure this is God you are talking to
and not your conscience?

4) Have you truly found the Lord or is this a way to avoid
telling us that the company is bankrupt?

If you have in fact given your life to
Jesus, then that is absolutely wonderful and I am very happy about it! I
am very happy for you, for the Lord is indeed everything that there is. BUT if
this is all another illusion for us, then I am very disappointed in you.
Either way, you must live with yourself and what you do.

Perhaps I doubt your faith, your commitment, but as a
follower of many years I have been a witness to your ups and downs.

May God bless you Kira.
I dearly hope this is for real and not another “hoax“

The best to you,
Michaela

Jenna Steele wrote:

Wow.
This is like of those surreal dreams
that you wonder if what you wake up to is really Reality or just a crazy
waking dream

I haven't really said a lot as a
member of this group, but I honestly love the stories that Kira writes. But
this just feels so wrong. I'm not a religious person and I have no intention
of judging someone who has faith in a religious organization, but I just do
not understand how you think that what you have been doing is “wrong.“

From what I know about Jesus and the Bible it pretty much preaches love,
acceptance, and understanding. So why would God forgive and allow serial
rapists, murderers, and pedophiles who repented in prison into heaven, but
would condemn people to hell just because the person they happened to love was
the same gender as them? Correct me if I'm wrong but that just does not make
sense. The bible preaches love and your stories convey the same ideas, so I
honestly don't see the problem.

We all want you to find happiness, in
whatever form it may take. But be careful that you aren't consumed by your
newfound beliefs; because in the words of William Shakespeare,
“Even the Devil can cite scripture for his purpose.“

I sincerely wish you smooth sailing
and calm waters in your life's new course,

Jenna Steele

Vousetnulautrevr wrote:

I've kept pretty silent in this group, but I feel that as a believer I
must say something now: You have not found GOD, Kira, and I'm extremely
insulted that you have the audacity to use the Lord has a way of stealing
money from people. Yes, I said stealing. You run a business and
are required to immediately refund the money that has been given to you for
memberships and books if you aren't going to have a club for people to be in
or send the books. There's none of this “eventually repay
you“ stuff. Your customers money should be available for
immediate repayment since you have no logical business-related reason to
have already spent their money.

For those unfortunate enough to have done business with Kira, I highly
suggest you organize yourselves and get a lawyer. Anyone who claims
that God has told them to rip you off is obviously not going to pay you what
you are owed since they're really sleeping with the Devil. Someone who
is so enflamed by the Holy Spirit doesn't need any material goods and should
be enthusiastically throwing her “inappropriate“ wealth at you,
not sending an IOU.

Now would be a good time to claim the “radical“ is a
hacker, Kira.

and then there was yet another message sent out to the entire mailing list by
Kira! It was titled "good news"... and essentially said 'the end is
near'. Not what I consider good news, but then, she also is hearing God talking
to her, so things are probably understandably becoming confusing for her. Kira's
new message said:

My friends,

I know you have many questions and concerns. I know you are angry. But
I can tell you what has been said by many before me: the Day of
Judgment is approaching. Look into your hearts and make yourselves
worthy. Accept the gift that has been given to you in the blood of
Jesus Christ and avoid the coming wrath.

The wrath is coming! HE is coming! Make your paths straight, for the
Day of the Lord is near.

I have received this revelation from God, but it is not a new
revelation. Rather, I have been given Council to express the urgency
of this news to you.

The Lord knows I care about all of you and hope that many of you will
stand with me in the Light of our Lord.

Look into your hearts and ask yourself if you are ready to face your
Creator. Make yourself ready before it is too late.

For the Lord my God has told me that his wrath will scorch the earth
from one end to the other. Accept the gift of salvation through our
Lord Jesus Christ and enjoy instead the treasures of the Kingdom of God.

Repent!

At pretty soon after, I was surfing through more responses, looking for someone to say something new and interesting (One said something along the lines of "the fire within—isn't that your kidney stones? [she'd had some out, recently] Ha ha ha—- have fun with JESUS"... which was disrespectful, but also one of the more amusing responses. Another response was by a person who lauded her wonderful attitude, and said it was a shame that people weren't stronger, because the bible said gays were an abomination, etc., etc... which made me wonder what this kind of person had been doing on the kinky yaoi fanlist in the first place. Keeping an eye on the deviants? It pissed me off a bit. But I was refreshing the list, seeing what other people had to say.

And then the mailing list stopped existing.

So... okay. That was my weird, weird day.

I'm going to go read some yaoi, now, and cheer up. Screw the fact that I have school early tomorrow—I am so weirded out. I need my equilibrium restored by the pretty. T__T

ETA May 08, 2008: Kira is no longer in the business, but other people have taken over where she has left off. The books are going to be completed by fabulous 'ghost writers', who often write even better than Kira actually did. Subscribed members now also get more updates, because there is a whole team of writers working on the fiction. The books will also still be coming out; the only real difference is where the site is hosted (and who is technically hosting it).

The new site for fics is: http://www.kiratakenouchi.com/

Kira's new site, if you were wondering what she is doing now that she is uber-Christian, is here: http://kiramorningstar.com/
Her journal (explaining what she's doing from day to day) is here: http://kiramorningstar.com/journal/
On Kira's new website, she's writing now, but it's more about people who undergo spiritual movements (and she's going to start charging people to read that as well, anyway).

While the transition for the yaoi site itself was very scary, in a way it was positive; now the site is run by several people, who seem to be much more stable. There's more updates, and a shared workload, so that even if one person suddenly had an 'epiphany' and bailed, other people could pick up the slack.


ETA May 23rd: Okay, so she's randomly trying to take everything back now. Excuse me while I go cry emo tears. She's completely out of line; she already gave up her company, and the minute it seems stable, she comes back, because she's 'on medication' (read: can't stand someone else playing with her toys). I have no idea what she's thinking, and I'm pretty disgusted by her behavior. She seems to expect that, after declaring all contracts null and void, now she can step back in and demand that everyone write for her, and that everything is hers again.

Seriously, this woman is crazy. (And this is supposed to be her on pills.) I don't care if you love her fiction, she is being terrible to everyone and expecting them to pick up the pieces (and then taking away the finished, fixed thing once they have). I know all about the love of slashy goodness -- but her treatment of everyone dealing with her is NOT worth her fiction.

Don't go to 'yaoi house'. Follow all the authors (and the company president) that had taken over in her absence -- go HERE: http://www.slpublishinggroup.com/site/index.html

ETA March 2009
Christian Kira is back. Her site now directs you to something called 'bow before him'. She's re-appropriated covers from her previous books and put them on her christian books (apparently her religious figures don't mind being ex-models for harem boy and such. Amusing only if you know, right?)

She's released the authors like Kiix from their contracts with Yaoi House LLC publishing, for obvious reasons.

No idea what's going to happen to her personal yaoi work-in-progress pieces. If anyone does know, post it here?

That's all from here for now.

ETA
I'm just going to start keeping a timeline [thank you, anons who keep me posted ♥ ]

Around July 2009: Kira returns to yaoi

Around March 2010: Kira returns to Christianity

Early June 2010: (Drama, Drama) Kira posts all her fiction for free in an effort to combat the negative information & demonstrate her good will; does not seem to plan for further writing [ETA: it appears these discussions are no longer publicly available]

Mid June 2010: Kira returns to charging for yaoi at kirafix.com

Early December 2010: Citing personal reasons and illness, Kira is taking a temporary (or perhaps permanent) break, cancelling subscriptions & taking down her kirafix site.

At some point in here, there is some drama about a Yaoi Awards Anthology or Magazine or somesuch notion. Kira and her works are brought up repeatedly; unsurprisingly, sockpuppetry abounds. I don't remember it very well; anyone with a better memory/links to the drama, please feel free to post about it in the comments; I was remiss with recording the incident, and only gave it passing attention at the time.

February 2012: Kira's works become available on a new site, officially under the name Camry. It is an archive, and not updated or for sale, but is free to view. Meanwhile, the last semi-public conversation (an exchange apparently posted between Kira and someone else; I haven't yet read it) ostensibly had with Kira is available hereETA: the archive is  now under wraps again (as of Sept 2012

July 2012: A blog, potentially Kira's, (though not confirmed to be so), found here. It's under the name "yahweh press"; it seems that Kira is conflicted about a return to yaoi, but doesn't announce any intended future direction. (One blog entry implies yaoi writing will resume, but the entry that follows it seems to indicate otherwise -- feel free to read them and draw your own conclusions.) ETA: As of Sept 2012, the site on which the blog was housed is up for grabs, and thus one assumes that it has been abandoned.

Thank you, various anons, for your various tips/heads up.

Comments

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prismangel
Mar. 17th, 2008 08:51 am (UTC)
Reply
I...er WAS a member of kirafics and I got the EXACT same feeling. I was just trying to figure things out and then suddenly every thing's gone. It's too strange.

I'm glad someone else feels the same way.
suzume_tori
Mar. 17th, 2008 09:11 am (UTC)
Re: Reply
so... do you think it's a hacker? A Kira-going-temporarily-insane? I wish there was some way to be like "Yes, this is Kira FOR SURE" or not... Also, I wish I could talk to her. I tried to email her to ask what's going on, though I don't actually expect a response at this point.

If you do figure out what's happening, please don't hesitate to share.

In the meantime, I'm just going to... be very confused.
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poppendol
Mar. 17th, 2008 02:19 pm (UTC)
Kira
Hi Suzume Tori,

You don't know me, obviously, but I'm, or was, a blondie member of yaoi underground. I wasn't a member of the yahoo group, so haven't received the e-mails. I opened my mailbox this morning only to find an e-mail ending my subscription. At first I figured something had gone wrong and replied immediately to rectify the situation. Then I figured to visit her LJ to see if anything had happened.

And then I was stunned. And, now, a few hours later i'm still stunned and well uneasy, really. Not because of the money, because, luckily, if it is all a con I'm not severely hit by it.

But I'm very much weirded out by the posts. her latest post on the consequences sounds rational and thus completely incongruent with the feverish zealous posts. And to alert her members and readers in this fashionis one thing but for the authors, shareholders, and people with outstanding orders to learn about this in this fashion.... It's bad form, at the very, very least.

My apologies if this post bugs you but I had to vent at someone who understands the situation.

Poppendol
(Anonymous)
Mar. 17th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Kira
actually, I'm very pleased to hear from you. I wanted to know how all the tiers of people in the website hierarchy were being affected by the changes, and hearing from someone nearer to the 'top' than I was adds perspective.

Everyone seems to have noticed the odd tone and abruptness of her latest posts. (I was mostly weirded out by all the capitalized phrases and metaphors... wineskins?)

If you hear anything, or even just want to talk about it more -- yeah, here is as good a place as any. If there were a forum, I'd be hanging out there. As it is, not having to move from surfing through my livejournal comments to hear how other people are currently reacting is a lovely convenience.

I'm glad that I at least was on the mailing list; it gave me a chance to scramble about with other members for the short while (until the group was suddenly deleted) to bounce ideas/theories about what's happening off other people. It must've been awful to have to figure out what was going on by following up only on the cancelled subscription.
drowning_london
Mar. 17th, 2008 04:57 pm (UTC)
Hey S.tori

Dear me, this is ridiculous. If I were part of that group, I'd post something snarky like "Revelations states that no man shall know the time of the coming of the lord, so you cannot know if it's coming anytime soon! At least SAPayne.com has never had this problem! And she's pagan, so no worries."
(Anonymous)
Mar. 17th, 2008 08:44 pm (UTC)
X3

SO much <3 for that comment. Even if no one can post it there now, that kind of lovely bit of snark is just the sort of humor that everyone needed in the panic last night.

(Yay for paganism. I'm not anti christian, but the end-is-nigh, repent-sinners stuff isn't what I need to hear from my yaoi mailing lists.)
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raintenshi
Mar. 17th, 2008 05:13 pm (UTC)
OMG!!
Hey. Fellow ex-member of the forum + journal reader here.

I cannot believe this is happening! I was busy this weekend with work so I only caught on to this last night. I'm thinking that this may have to do with her bipolarism and I reader in the comments on the journal that she moved back in with her parents and they live in Florida. And someone else said that after the stunt with Keeru, its becoming hard to trust her, which I'm really agreeing with now. If she comes back after this, I don't think she will find too many people rushing back to her side and will face a lot of rage.

Let me be perfectly clear: I am not giving up my old life because God told me gay love was wrong. What is wrong is sexual promiscuity, the lack of an undivided, sacred union between any two people.
I may be off my mark, but a lot of Christians DO see homosexuals as wrong and when people debate same-sex marriage, those against it see a sacred union between any two people only for a man and a woman. So for me, that statement seems to contradict itself. Not to mention, lots of people link homosexuality with sexual promiscuity. And how she words it makes it seem like she doesn't believe in homosexuality anymore, seeing it as "improper" and "immoral". And she's just trying not to upset everyone.

A lot of people seem to be upset by this, especially other Christians. Oh man, they seem insulted by her saying this. And I can see her point, because she seems to have become a born-against Bible Thumper Christian, especially when she started saying that "The wrath is coming! HE is coming! Make your paths straight, for the Day of the Lord is near". I HATE people like those. I cannot STAND them! They just scream intolerance, and there are a lot who live in the city I live in. They seem to be the ones that give good Christians (who don't try and push religion down your throat) a bad name. They give the image that being Christian means your intolerant, which isn't the case

I worry what will happen if she decides to come back, after saying that God "wanter her" to do this. She can't blame the drugs, she can't blame being bi-polar, and she cannot blame God. She's burnt all the bridges down with this act. She will need to take responsibility for her actions.

I'm just feeling really taken advantage of and hurt by this.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 17th, 2008 08:51 pm (UTC)
Re: OMG!!
Yeah, the thing about wrath and repentance? Was a bit funny on one level, because I was so incredulous, but on another level, somewhat disturbing.

I still want to know what caused the sudden shift. Is she crazy? (I don't mean that sarcastically - I mean, the sudden shift is... well, sudden. She struck me as a sort of bipolar person, so whether your own remark about her bipolarism is speculative or not -- it makes me feel better to know that at least someone else is wondering if that might be it.)

As always, I'm being optimistic. I'll probably keep wondering - is it a hacker? (It's been less than 15 hours since the first letter, I think, so it's still possible. You never know. I'm still holding out for that slim possibility.)
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ginyanote
Mar. 17th, 2008 06:48 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what to say either, as Kira has not replied to any of my emails regarding the situation. I've worked for a long time as one of her Blondie Guards and though we all thought we would receive word over this because of our closeness with her, we have received nothing.

I fear for her safety because this is such a radical change. I'm working on scheduling my life a little differently, to possibly make a road trip down to see her. I'm so worried for her and also angry over this all, but she has gone ahead and ended quite a few things now.

I still have second thoughts, that maybe it's a joke or maybe she'll recent and change her mind. I'm suspicious by nature, but with her previous dealings with "Keeru, I can't take her completely seriously.

suzume_tori
Mar. 17th, 2008 08:56 pm (UTC)
This isn't the first time someone's mentioned 'dealings with Keeru'. I'm afraid I missed that bit -- what happened? (I'm obsessed with putting things into context; sorry!)

If you do end up going to see her, could you let others know if she's all right? Even if she is going in a completely new direction and is happy with it -- when someone goes through such a radical change, it means that everyone wonders, and there's a lot of concern. Thanks so much!
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aimless38
Mar. 17th, 2008 10:38 pm (UTC)
I was one of the original Blondie elites when Kira first offered that option. I have been following her stories since she began posting them. Plus I am still waiting for the other 2 books promised me for my membership. No chance in heck of that now. I was a patient person waiting for promised books to be released. Then Kira's money problems mounted my apprehensions grew. When Kira stated that she had used some of her membership fees on bills and groceries the alarm bells grew into a deafening clamor. The death knell was her sudden visitation by the holy spirit. Which I think was nothing more than a psychotic episode from someone who has admitted is bi-polar. I think this new revelation is a way to free herself of her financial responsibilities and to those of her fans as well.

If she just wanted out...or tired of writing at least she could have been honest with her long time fans. But this waffling back and forth she has been doing in her journal makes me clearly believe the woman is no longer even remotely stable.

Gee do you think 2 years was too long for me to wait for my membership perks to be honored?

Oh and we ought to start a yahoo group for those of us displaced Kira fans so we can rant and chat and share favorite stories, pictures and fiction. Call it something like Kira anonymous or recovering kirafics addicts or some such...snort.
suzume_tori
Mar. 18th, 2008 02:55 am (UTC)
Do you want to start it, or do you have someone in mind? (I've never been administrator of any sort of group like that, but I don't think it would be any real trouble to create and maintain something so simple. And since she deleted the community, I imagine we can recreate it with the same name, since kirasfics no longer exists in Yahoo's database. Right?)
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(Anonymous)
Mar. 17th, 2008 11:49 pm (UTC)
Kira
Well kiddies. This was not unexpected; don't be so shocked. I was early on Kirafics too and as stupid and naïve as I was, I thought it would be great thing. I was first introduced to Ai No Kusabi by following the banner on AFF. I was therethe when the 2nd site after a huge quarrel that could have easily been resolved with some decency from Miss Takenouchi, but I believed her and now I see the results.

I started to suspect when such things as eFics was launched, which was supposed to be as Kira said "The biggest, badass Yaoi site ever." Well, it was also said that if you post there, people will actually read your stuff and you may even get the chance to have your stuff published.... in her books!!! Oh, yes. Well, the problem was that Kira liked no one there. Nobody was "there yet". Alright, there we go. Now what does that mean? The truth of the matter was, that Kira had not done well with her business and publishing. So several authors had jumped off the boat, because nice stories were turned into something the authors didn't like. They were not allowed to have the same quality of text and art as KT and thus, people chose to go someplace else.

All in all Yaoi Underground had become a little community for people admiring each other.. but not much else.. until some woke up. The billd were piling up and pre-orders were no longer covering the costs. So... then KT's unfortunate rollercoaster problems(medical problems etc) had a huge impact on her. Publishing explicit details of her personal life also added to the downfall for many fans who read about 'things' in her LJ started to become a bit saturated with smut. Especially if it deals with things about the .author doing in private between the sheets.

And the Kirafics site. That was a joke, and none of the members were regarded to other than piggy-banks. Me too.... and I would have paid even more... but I droped out... seemingly in time before it started crumbling. Which was last year. And why? Because of the arrogance, idiocy and lack of professionalism. If she has found God.. bgood for her. But if this is just another one of her trick (as she has done before) then this is over the edge LOW!

But it has worked before... so why not now?
suzume_tori
Mar. 18th, 2008 03:02 am (UTC)
Re: Kira
Wow. You have a lot more background than I do, I admit. I was a casual surfer -- I didn't see as much as the drama/competition. I was vaguely aware that she'd had some medical issues, but I hadn't made the connection that she was mentioning them because she was going to use the membership fees to pay her bills.

That... makes this situation even more awkward than I'd realized. More and more, the viewpoint seems to be that this is the culmination of a sort of scam to milk fans out of their money -- which wasn't actually one of the original thoughts.

Hopefully, everything will work out, and the conning/scamming will not be the case that proves to be true.
platoapproved
Mar. 18th, 2008 04:08 pm (UTC)
...

SURPRISE!JESUS

It's like SURPRISE!RAPTOR or SURPRISE!BUTTSECKS, but apparently most swift and more terrifying. o__o

Isn't it so fun when people like this make non-crazy religious people look really psycho?

THIS MERITS THE WTF ICON.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 18th, 2008 10:07 pm (UTC)
??
Wow, I'm glad I found this discussion here. I'm kind of losing the whole overview. Recently Kira's posts have become more 'sane' again. No "Repent" anymore, and according to her posts now she looks to have made a plan to actually pay everyone back. Seems believable but then I read this stories and become angry all over again. I can't possibly believe someone would go this low to fix her financial problems. Guess we all have to wait and see if her words are actually going to transform into deeds.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 19th, 2008 02:03 am (UTC)
Kira!!
Hey you guys!

Seems Kira has landed on earth again! There's this new post called "a quieter faith" and it's the first one since the life-altering experience that sounds like the old Kira to me again. Sounds sane again, and at least this is making any sense. I should rephrase that: it's the first one I can understand. The Christian stuff really pissed me off, it's been said before but it was just plain crazy to find myself paying for hardcore yaoi smut and instead being lectured that I should repent because the day of judgement is nearing and the wrath of the Lord is to befall upon me. Like, what the fuck? But as I said, she looks like being her old (slightly confirmed that is) self. Curious what will happen next!
(Anonymous)
Mar. 20th, 2008 12:57 am (UTC)
Kira is a fake
The only reason I did business with her was because I wanted to read Becca Abbott's book 'Cethe'. I used to check on her first journal to see if she had any updates regarding her book. All she used to do was whine about how hard life was. I made a comment about that and she blocked my IP address. The she opened up the yaoiunderground journal which was supposed to be only to discuss the company and the books. So I went there to check for book updated. But surprise surprise! All she did was whine again. Every post was a complaint. Frankly it made me depressed just reading it and I could not see the book ever being released. So I gave up and stopped reading it. I only hope I get my money back so that I can buy the book when Becca releases it. I am not shelling out another 20 bucks.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 20th, 2008 02:55 am (UTC)
WTF
I just visited Becca's site to see if there is any infornation on her book and she has a posting for March 8th, saying that she has the rights to her books and will be publishing them her selves. March 8th!! This was before, Kira was rambling on about proof reading and such. Was Kira just outright lying to us? To keep us going for a few more days. I have no idea but I am glad Becca Abbott has take over. I do not trust the company any more and I think the book will get out faster if she does it herself.
grangerjoan
Mar. 20th, 2008 02:28 pm (UTC)
Re: WTF
That's March 2008, not March 8th. The post wasn't there a few days ago.
luinquesse
Mar. 22nd, 2008 10:20 pm (UTC)
hmm
Hi.

I've been reading Kiras stories from the time she still posted in AFF. All this came as a total shock for me. I really didn't know what to say... I've been following neo-kirafics in Yahoo, to see what the shareholders are doing and I'd like to believe it will end well. Of course it's sad if this is the end of Kiras writing but at least other writers would get their books published.

I will not say it's wrong to believe in god and if Kira wants to quit, we cannot stop her. But I think it's not very polite to rage about "the end being near" and such. It might offence people who don't share the same religion, or don't believe in it. This kind of behavior usually put me off, and I lose all the respect I might had fot that person.

I'm not even very concerned about the money refunds, the biggest concern I have is Kira. I hope she's not throwing away everything. It's when you are most vunerable, they strike. People who have been very sick are the most easy to convert. Religion is not a bad thing but everything sudden and not thought thru is when it comes to huge life changes.If this is what she believes and will be happy, I'm fine with it, I'm just hoping that she won't ever have to regret her choice.

I hope this will end well, I really do.
raintenshi
Mar. 31st, 2008 08:09 am (UTC)
Hmm this is interesting
From Kira's new journal site ( http://kiramorningstar.com/journal/)
This transition was one of the most difficult things I have ever had to do. My readers, for the most part, rejected my decision and launched derisive verbal assaults against me for leaving my stories unfinished. I learned then that I possess only a handful of true friends and supporters. The popularity I had enjoyed was vacuous and evaporated as soon as I announced my intent to change my life’s direction. Very few readers cared about my decision nor did they believe or understand the depths of my conviction.

Um, YEAH. She shouldn't be acting like this was a surprise or she's a victim here. The way she conducted herself at the sudden change was VIOLENT and without warning. She herself has admitted that she got "excited and may have got a bit manic and then slipped into a temporary psychosis". Of course people are going to react badly to someone saying that they're not going to finish their stories. Its ANNOYING as anything when that happens. She's acting like she's nothing more then a victim in the whole thing. She really needs to grow up and accept the consequences of her actions. Her earlier posts were extremist in nature and insulted many people. Not to mention she did not talk to anyone else about this sudden change before making it.

But I was surprised at how some people reacted to my decision, as though I had murdered their children or something. Not many people respected my decision or the depths of my conviction. What bothered me more than that, though–and now I’m talking about some of the posts in my old journal–were the awful things people said about God and Christianity.

Again, people were shocked, surprised and hurt by the suddenness of Kira's decision, and her change was very abrupt without much explanation about it until the damage was already done. Yes, people are going to say bad things about God and Christianity, but her posts were very radical and extremist in nature, which many Christians didn't seem to agree with either.

I still think that some of her supporters/friends (like Esther) are making excuses for Kira's actions, trying to protect her, but in the end, I don't think they're doing too much help for her. Sometime, to be a good friend, you have to deal out tough love. It sucks, but so does life. To say that everyone who didn't immediately support her in her change, that's just making everyone seem like the "bad guy/girl" and that not necessarily the truth. You can be a bad friend/supporter by just blindly following them and never saying anything negative.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 1st, 2008 08:56 pm (UTC)
Comment to all!
Okay, So as much as things are probably in a frantic state.
I just have to say...
I deeply sad, and I would love it, if someone would come talk to me, and let me know.
Because if you are an author on kira fics, I have probably read your stories, There are maybe 10 stories I haven't read, and I ask you, Please contact me because I deeply wanted to finish those stories.
A lot of stories, were still in progress and I really want to finish them.
Sorry for the bother, I am just incredibly sad. :[
I can't even state how sad I am.
Contact:Ryu-Tashimaru@hotmail.com
Thank you for listening.
char_sama
Apr. 20th, 2008 06:45 am (UTC)
If what she is saying is true, then she owes me an apology. Not just me, of course, but everyone!

But I am saying that I shall email mer to see if she really HAS "repented." She harassed me and took my money (I canceled my subscription A YEAR AGO and every SENT HER BOOK BACK).

I went through such a hard time with that mess a long time ago. I know she will suffer for what she's done to me, and perhaps this is what's happening. If a person can't get justice through the law, then perhaps her knowing what she did and feeling regret is her punishment and our justice. And, I am a very devout Christian, but the Bible doesn't state that conservativism is the only way to be. WE invented that.

I believe God/Jesus believes this as well. We all have our ways, and our reasons for doing what we do. A person can love who they need to. It's as He said, "Everything in moderation." It isn't who you sleep with, it's hurting other people, drinking/hurting yourself to forget your problems (only to the point you hurt others and yourself, drinking isn't terrible), AND not helping those that ARE hurting. What Kira did to me is unforgivable, I was dying and I asked for her LENIENCY, meaning I was deferring to HER (which I did NOT need to do), and got slapped in the face.

What she has done is unforgivable, if she IS conning now (what, like she wasn't BEFORE? once sick, ALWAYS sick, maybe just in a better mood, hmm?), and everyone is entitled to take legal action.

However, I am a Paralegal, and if you have $95 to get back, I do not believe any court system will care. But if EVERYONE pitches in (100 people or so) they will most than likely listen.

Don't take that as legal advice, however. ^_^;;
samusaran388
May. 4th, 2008 04:45 am (UTC)
This is disturbing. I discontinued my subscription merely days before this happened.

Part of me thinks that this is just her conning us through that typically twisted humor of hers.

Frankly, I hope that's it. It's like a creepy zombie that's speaking now.
(Anonymous)
May. 9th, 2008 12:59 am (UTC)
Feeling the pain.
I went to the website today to read the free pages for Taming Riki, and the Incubus chapter and there, -Sob- gone! I hope this is all a cruel prank but I've seen Christian fanatics and I know how bad they can get! -Collapses on floor in pain.-
I'm just glad I saved the free pages to a word document, if anybody wants me to mail them to you just Email me.
stormofthedragon@gmail.com

I hope this blows over because I really want to buy her books.
suzume_tori
May. 9th, 2008 03:18 am (UTC)
Re: Feeling the pain.
Long story short: she has ghost writers now, finishing her stories for her. (Don't worry, they're very, very good.) It looks like she's bowed out permanently.

The NEW URL for her site is: http://www.kiratakenouchi.com/
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(Anonymous)
Mar. 16th, 2009 06:52 am (UTC)
WTF, redux
so...this kind of happened again. i went to her site and its all...like...christianized. the last time she went on a religious tact, she snapped out of it and berated her readers for not realizing that she had gone off her meds, and how could they ever think that she would give up her writing etc etc...

the original cristian-kira site was kiramorningstar.com, which she dismantaled, but now her original kirafics site is completely revamped, in addition to her new site bowbeforehim.com

you know, i dont even care so much about getting my $7 membership fee back, im just pissed about the cliffhangers. seriously, not cool kira!

suzume_tori
Mar. 16th, 2009 07:42 am (UTC)
Re: WTF, redux
trust me, I know.

Thanks for making sure I was kept updated, though! I'll amend the original topic here to make sure people are up to date in as much as I can make them.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 18th, 2009 07:04 am (UTC)
Kira Takenouchi
Wonder if Kira will ever be sound of mind. Being bi-polar isn't any fun but geesh!

Was happy when she "came back" in March.

Around the beginning of Oct. of 2008 started having computer problems and it was out for repairs more than being used by me. Eventually took advantage of the lemon law and replaced the tower with a new one that was an upgrade and on sale. Now I could enjoy Kira's stories once again. HA!!! She had once again gone religious on my ass. This time she assured all her loyal fans that she was not having an episode because she was on her meds. Got all this information from Esther who had always been a firm supporter of Kira and was actually working for her. From what Esther told me via email that Kira had called her to let her know that she had once again found Christ (its never God with her) and that she wopuld no longer be writing yaoi. Well, Esther did an intervention that involved authorities (she really didn't go into it) and Kira dumped her and locked her out of her site.

All I know that I will never receive my TR Part 3 nor the 3 books I had prepaid for (stupid me) back in 2007. Live and learn I guess.

I would love to get into her site but because I dared to chastise her for her betrayel of her yaoi fans yet again, she locked me out of her site.

Somebody should sue her just to let her know that she can't keep taking people's money and not giving it back.

I had asked for my $85.95 back for the 3 books I had prepaid for. Her reply in a nutshell was "good luck with that." I notified VISA about the money and that the company I had bought the books from went bankrupt. That was back in Dec. Haven't heard anything from them yet.

Well, what goes around comes around. She will be held accountable for both fiascos.


(Anonymous)
Mar. 13th, 2010 04:39 am (UTC)
She's gone and done it again.
I hope this time she stays down.
I can't believe I didn't Google her beforehand and dug out all these crap about her. Maybe this time Jesus will actually tell her to return the money... but it looks like history dictates otherwise.
(Anonymous)
Jun. 14th, 2010 03:03 pm (UTC)
Timeline update
Kira's back again.
suzume_tori
Jun. 14th, 2010 10:29 pm (UTC)
Re: Timeline update
thanks for the heads up, anon ♥
(Anonymous)
Feb. 21st, 2012 07:39 am (UTC)
Not to beat a dead horse but it appears Kira's FICA are available for free (for now) at
http://kiratakenouchi.weebly.com/. According to her Facebook page she "gave" everything to someone named Camry. I initially thought sockpuppet (especially with the over the top sell and use of "Princess of Yaoi" which I have only ever seen Kira herself use but a quick search did pull up things to indicate she might be legit (in which case she might want to familiarize herself with how Kira treated the last set of people who tried to help her).

Anyway we'll see how long it takes before Kira starts trying to charge a fee again.

Also ...
http://stillkeeru.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/kira-takenouchi-is-not-dead/ I'm glad an old sock puppet of hers could put to bed that ridiculous "rumor". As someone who was living Japan at that time and saw how many people it hurt it infuriates me that she would try to use that as a ploy for sympathy. Especially since she has no business trapsing around in Japan until she pays everyone she scammed back (not that I believe she was actually there)
(Anonymous)
Jul. 18th, 2012 07:44 am (UTC)
It's been a long time
On a whim the other day I decided that I wanted to re-read the Taming Riki series, imagine my surprise to find that all of this happened! I remember reading the series back when all the chapters of Taming Riki were free... So, it's definitely been a while since I've read the series.

Is there anyone out there that maybe has the Taming Riki fic archived or saved somewhere? From the looks of things Kira hasn't brought back the yaoi site. Though, to be honest, even if she did I wouldn't want to subscribe or purchase anything as long as she was running it.

Also, it was very upsetting for me to read that she has been using God as a way to con people. It is very clear to me that God has not been speaking to her...
(Anonymous)
Jul. 28th, 2012 02:00 am (UTC)
Re: It's been a long time
While Kira released all of her fanfiction and original fiction for free on a temporary basis in order to generate good will in the wake of a particularly scathing assessment of her behavior, it was then re-delegated to a subscription-only section of her website, which was later (to the best of my knowledge) shut down once again.
An unofficial copy of her early fanfiction, (Taming Riki, the first book) can currently be found in PDF format here:

http://mediafire.com/?7dghyy1g5c5lqvv
(Anonymous)
Jan. 5th, 2013 11:07 pm (UTC)
Test, just a test
Hello. And Bye.
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